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Re:Exaggerated apophaticism - 5/18/2009 7:46 AM ( #61 )
Dear Jude,
 
We are far from 'Exaggerated apophaticism' now, but I would like you to tell me something more on how yoga deals with issues as unresolved emotional, thought and behaviour patterns of the ego/false self/persona/shadow. And what the relation according to you is of yoga and body/emotional therapy. Big questions, I know!
Good books on this?
 
Greetings,
Fred
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Re:Exaggerated apophaticism - 5/18/2009 8:19 AM ( #62 )
Dear Fred,
Big questions indeed.....I need to give it some thought!!
 
I would recommend any book by B.K.S. Iyengar who has written extensively on every aspect of Yoga.
 
Off the top of my head, Yoga doesn't resolve anything...it helps YOU do the resolving.
 
I'll think ont'
 
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Re:Exaggerated apophaticism - 5/18/2009 9:04 AM ( #63 )
http://www.thaiyogabodytherapy.com/testimonials_articles.html
 
Please read this, dear Jude! Not in poor Belgium...
 
Fred
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Re:Exaggerated apophaticism - 5/18/2009 9:37 AM ( #64 )
Hi Fred,
 
Hope you don't mind me chiming in???
In some ways I think yoga asks you to become an observer of self...to deal with this aspect.
There are many different ways but I think this is one of its main practices for ego. Often you will read or/ in practise learn to decipher the true self which is often to be said under the veil of________.  The different practises are to help let ego fall away as the principle of what you focus on or resist gets magnified through our attention to it. Iyengar yoga as I understand it holds the asana longer and uses props to help you from whatever level you are at. Thai yoga is great and is actually a real fun practise to do it is quite different than other forms. I really enjoyed that practise. Khundalini is a great form to do as well as breath is a huge focus and is more flowing. I did read a book on Khundalini that said you need your ego for the very practical reasoning of desire helps one to achieve and stay on task. As many speakers and self developemnet "gurus"attest to ego as something they
see and use as positive in that they do not practice certain " harmful acts" to others. Even many other masters say to have one "desire" to focus on  your relationship with GOD is the rarest thing in human being. This is generally acknowledge among all (masters) of them in some form or another.
 
In my teacher training program for yoga. I explored many different styles of yoga. All of them were very good and I gained much from each one of them.
A great respect for each style of yoga practise. Each has an area of focus that in my opinion just adds a greater depth to that which is at the center of yoga "union" with God. Most yoga is designed to help you the student to modify and tayler it to your special needs in some way. Though Iyenger is a very strict methodology but still always uses props  as a modification but in a principle that one should not go ahead of the train so to speak. But stay with it until resistence is gone through to its end point.
 
Here's series of book on ego...He's Buddhist but does touch on yoga, Christianity, and other religious practices too. David Hawkins...Truth vs. Falsehood, The Eye of the I, I, Transcending: The levels of consciousness
It's a hard read though for many...but I think you might benefit from these.
He is a psychologist too so he might appeal to you as he intergrates these two areas.
 
An easy read is Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse
Anything by Mother Teresa...
Any autobigraphy by a Yogi!
Autobiography of A Yogi by Yogananda
Guaranteed Solutions by Nithyananda
RUMI
 
What style are you practicing now, Fred?
 
Hope that helps you!!!
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Re:Exaggerated apophaticism - 5/18/2009 10:40 AM ( #65 )
Diane, I'm always grateful for your input!
 
Fred I don't know about Thai Yoga, but some of the things did jump out at me, like the fact that someone reported that they noticed, after some days practise, that blocks were being removed that they weren't aware were even there. I think this is the key. Yoga makes us aware of the body/mind connection.
 
Jude
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Re:Exaggerated apophaticism - 5/18/2009 10:53 AM ( #66 )
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Re:Exaggerated apophaticism - 5/18/2009 11:02 AM ( #67 )
Jude,
 
Thank you! I think you are so right! Often times I think it helps to free the spirit so to speak because of that exact key. Through understanding and awareness of the body/mind connection you get clearer and the blocks fade away.
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Re:Exaggerated apophaticism - 5/19/2009 3:26 AM ( #68 )
Dear friends,
It is all so unpredictable. Yesterday a rather good day, notwithstanding the night before and yesterday evening, alone at home and today again these weird symptoms in my body, this tiredness, this aridity in my mind and so forth...
Or is it so that yesterday I was numbed by using alcohol the day before.
I notice since a long time that one day I am better and the next day I feel bad as if I am coming and going time and again from Good Friday to Easter.
Tonight there is the first Pesso session. I hope it will be a bit clarifying.
Greetings,
Fred
 
PS Thank you fo the messages and the link 
 
 
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Re:Exaggerated apophaticism - 5/19/2009 4:52 AM ( #69 )
Dear Fred,
The ups and downs days are so normal
 
I have them myself. I know it's frustrating, but be patient with yourself and be grateful for the good days.
 
It's often the same with physical illness too. One day up and one day down....and so the mood.
 
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Jude
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Re:Exaggerated apophaticism - 5/19/2009 6:21 AM ( #70 )
This must be a very good book on hatha yoga (which I practise):
 
http://www.movingintostillness.com/teachings.html
 
http://www.amazon.com/Yoga-Spirit-Practice-Moving-Stillness/dp/0671534807
 
Greetings,
Fred
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Re:Exaggerated apophaticism - 5/20/2009 3:18 AM ( #71 )
Dear friends,
 
Good morning (in Belgium).
The Pesso session yesterday felt very good. The person of the therapist suited me and his practice is beautifully situated in a very old beguinage.
The power of Pesso lies especially in group sessions and so from September on I will combine individual with group session.
It felt good to lie my hands on my chest and speak out: 'I may be here!'.
Pesso works around (lack of) basic needs and it is clear to me that my most urgent basic need is (lack of) boundaries (tha    t's why I have been reading so much and feel like a bottomless vessel...
I had a good yoga session afterwards and a good sleep.
The articles by Joel Kramer are indeed very good!
 
Greetings,
Fred
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Re:Exaggerated apophaticism - 5/20/2009 5:19 AM ( #72 )
Dear Fred,
From the reviews this book does indeed look very good.
I'm glad the Pesso session went well
 
Blessings,
Jude
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Re:Exaggerated apophaticism - 5/20/2009 8:30 AM ( #73 )
That's great to hear Fred!
 
I'd love to hear more about your Pesso Therapy if you'd like to share more.
 
Peace, Love and Joy,
Diane
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