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tinythinker

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Gratefulness and Being grounded - 6/18/2009 12:12 AM ( #1 )
It may seem obvious to suggest that those who are struggling to find meaning and purpose in their lives or who worry their lives are pointless or being wasted often have no no real grounding in faith, friends, family, or community and feel isolated and adrift.  This is a major impairment to any pre-requisite for experience genuine gratitude.

But as someone who fits this bill and struggles with gratitude (to put it mildly), I find that finding an appropriate faith community can be very challenging.  I don't want to take us too far off topic so use prudence in your reply should you choose to offer one, but it seems really hard sometimes to fit in.  The Catholic and Orthodox devotions and variety of prayers and practices seems awesome, and Cathlicism in particular has cultivated and nourished so many past and contemporary people I respect, including Br. Steindl-Rast, Fr. Thomas Merton, Fr. Thomas Keating, Dorothy Day, etc, etc.  But then attached to the liturgy, the prayers, the contemplation, etc are the political issues that get so much attention such as the Church's stance on homosexuals or the role of women in the Church.  Given the current political climate I just don't feel I would be welcome since I see the justification for such teachings as essential to the Christian faith as weak and inconsistent with the general message of the Gospels.  (Note: Again, I am not looking to debate this and take the forum way off-topic, I am just giving an example of the kinds of roadblocks I run into.)

There are of course various Protestant groups of varying beliefs that offer enough choices in theology that almost anyone can find a place to fit it in, but one problems is precisely that there are so many and it's so hard to keep track of who says or does what.  Plus my experience from birth to twenty in Protestantism reminds me of their de-emphasis and lack of many sacraments and forms of devotion and prayer.  I have worked with Buddhism for a while but it is often hard to find a local group regardless of its suitability.  Moreover, some really progressive religious groups sometimes end up losing track of the Ultimate/Divine altogether and function almost like social club for promoting good works (many UU congregations I have encountered come to mind).  I know a lot of people like the idea of flying solo in their spirituality, but I am realizing that if I want to experience or discover God or to serve or to have any gratitude it cannot be in isolation.  That is the gift and challenge of a spiritual/religious community.  

Has anyone else dealth with this?  How did you decide what to do?  What would you recommend?  It just seems like I keep going in circles, unable to discern where I belong - both in terms of what I need but also what I can offer.  I don't expect a perfect fit, but I want to avoid a really poor one.  I could be wrong, but I believe gratitude is easier to cultivate and sustain when one does not feel spiritually homeless.
"Life does not accommodate you; it shatters you. Every seed destroys its container, or else there would be no fruition."
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Re:Gratefulness and Being grounded - 6/18/2009 7:50 AM ( #2 )
Dear Dave . . .
I think I do know what you are talking about.
Everyone handles their spiritual life in different ways.
Many people are comfortable in churches, temples, and mosques
where they feel embraced and at home,
and to me this is wonderful.
My father was a progressive Presbyterian minister in many ways,
and when I was a child,
our family visited many many different houses of worship.
But I am afraid,
that in spite of all my father's efforts,
his attempts at teaching me to think independently
perhaps backfired,
as I have grown up to be a bit of a loner,
and do not join any group easily.
Unable to find 'God' in any church I have been to,
my practice has become a rather solitary one . . .
here at this forum,
I am most able to express myself spiritually.
Other than that,
I practice by trying to be present to my life,
and to what each experience I encounter
holds for me,
and ask myself what I can give to it . . .
'sitting' . . . simply sitting is worship for me.
Some would call it meditation,
but I am most comfortable calling it 'sitting' . . .
I read books that speak to me,
and listen to what other people say . . .
people like those you have mentioned,
and others.
Once I start looking,
the path always leads to another source
and another.
Many teachings I have found quite 'by accident' ,
and many through mention by others
on this web site.
It seems that although my pursuit seems lonely
(and indeed it is sometimes),
the teacher always comes to me,
and in the negative space of loneliness
I find something rich and nourishing,
and at times I feel
that I can actually hear the voice of 'God'.
 
I used to have grand ideas of making a big difference in the world . . .
in grade school,
maybe fifth grade (?),
in preparation for 'meet the teacher' night,
all of us students took turns lying down on huge sheets of brown paper,
where we traced each other's bodies with black crayons.
We then drew and coloured in the type of clothing we would wear
in the profession we dreamed that someday we would pursue.
Then we cut these figures out,
and bent them to 'sit' behind our desks.
When our parents entered the class that night,
they would see a whole classroom of these brown paper cut-outs.
It was quite fun.
I remember very clearly,
that I drew a dress and coloured it yellow,
and drew my arm folded across my breast,
holding a black bible,
as I hoped to become a missionary when I grew up.
Well, we all know now that this did not happen.
In fact,
longstoryshort
my road to 'God'
has been long and circuitous,
and has not brought me back to church in the end
(at least so far),
but it has brought me to a place of deeper spirituality
than I could have imagined,
and might never have begun to experience
were it not for the long and circuitous road.
And discovering gratitude
(as simple as it might sound)
was perhaps the first real step . . .
the most significant thing
that has grounded me
in this life . . .
simply being grateful.
I have discovered that I can't change the whole world,
but I can change my whole world . . .
I can't discover every spiritual teaching there is,
but I can make the most of what truly resonates within me,
and seek for quality there.
For in the end,
I think it is within the quality rather than quantity
where God lives.
 
As I write this,
the Parable of Mushin
comes to mind.
I copied it into another thread some months ago . . .
here is a link to the page.
You will have to scroll down.
The thread is called 'tell me a story...'
http://my.gratefulness.org/m17639.aspx
You may be lonely in your practice
dear Dave,
but you are most certainly not alone.
Gratitude removes the roadblocks
if I practice it unrelentingly . . .
gratitude when experienced fully,
allows me to see the face of God,
and assures me of my place in this world . . .
gratitude gives life meaning
(for me)
and grounds me in what is present
with love . . .
sparrow
 
everything counts...
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Re:Gratefulness and Being grounded - 6/18/2009 12:06 PM ( #3 )
Dear Dave,
I would agree with all Sparrow has said. I never aspired to be a missionary though
 
When I first put my foot on the Spiritual path it was not in church, but in a group. I had, as a child and young teenager, belonged to a Prodestant church, and as a young married woman I became a Catholic. I think, once over the culture shock, I liked a lot of the ritual of the Mass, as well as the beauty of the churches, but like you became disillusioned by many aspects. I still miss the beautiful parts, and the sense of belonging, but no longer attend mass.
 
I believe that the group of like-minded people appeared in my life at the right time. Many of the individuals have now left my life, but it doesn't matter now, as what I needed has been learned and absorbed.
My spiritual practise is also done mainly alone, like Sparrow, but the whole of life is a spiritual practise.
Mabybe one day I will try going to church again, but for now I prefer my churches to be empty when I visit them, and being in nature is also my church.
 
Blessings,
Jude
Love is the only way
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Re:Gratefulness and Being grounded - 6/19/2009 5:50 AM ( #4 )
Dear Dave
 
for me my faith is whatever nourishes my soul
I have been searching all my life for 'faith'
but then one day it just came to me
maybe it was there all along
I'm not sure...
I am still searching for a 'church'
but as of yet I can't find one that does not scare me
I feel so isolated in some churches
because they seem so cold and heartless
I know this is not a nice thing to say
but for me it's true
 
Why put fear into someone
when you should be helping them
to see light and love...
 
I look at Jesus on the cross and even though he was suffering
his eyes still sent out signals of love  
it's his love we should be spreading
not the fear of God
  
  
  
 
but I am realizing that if I want to experience or discover God or to serve or to have any gratitude it cannot be in isolation
 
 
I don't think to feel gratitude you need other's
but then I think to feel gratitude and gratefulness
maybe you need to value yourself more as a person
these are only my personal thoughts
 
However I would never have discovered D God if I was alone
I feared him and even went as far as calling him 'Horrid' names
I still challenge him lots at times
but I am fortunate enough to have a bible Angel
who is always willing to listen to me and just 'to let me be'
I am always asking questions and I always get answers
they may not be the answers I want
but they are the answers that will help me 
find my own faith or spiritual path 

for peace within ...
   
   
 
I am reading one of Brother David's books at the moment
and it really makes me see life in a different way
or appreciate life more so than I have done ever  before.
 
I hope you do find a place where you can be at peace
I do think this forum is a step in the right direction for this
I really do....
 
Sorry now to ramble but it helps us all I'm sure
 
 
 
Take care Dave,Sandra
 
 
 
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Re:Gratefulness and Being grounded - 6/19/2009 6:03 AM ( #5 )

but I am fortunate enough to have a bible Angel who is always willing to listen to me and just 'to let me be'

 
Dearest Sandra,
you certainly have an Angel watching
over you...
 

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Re:Gratefulness and Being grounded - 6/19/2009 6:43 AM ( #6 )

it's his love we should be spreading not the fear of God

 
I would agree totally with this. I wonder sometimes if the word 'fear' has actually been misinterpreted. We need Betty!
 
Maybe it should be 'respect' instead of 'fear.'
 
Jude
Love is the only way
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Re:Gratefulness and Being grounded - 6/19/2009 7:53 AM ( #7 )
 
I have been told that fear
as in 'fear the Lord',
means something more like
'respect with great awe' . . .
You might check some of the newer translations of the bible.
I must admit though,
that aside from that,
I mostly prefer the language in the King James.
The thee's and thou's
feel more sacred
somehow . . .
  
everything counts...
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Re:Gratefulness and Being grounded - 6/19/2009 8:29 AM ( #8 )
Yes, Jude and Sparrow, the biblical meaning of "fear" in this context is "awe". Translations taken literally can be easily misunderstood!
 
Sparrow, isn't it interesting that the originally informal way of addressing another (thou, thee) seems more respectful than the formal way that has become informal!
 
Edda
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Re:Gratefulness and Being grounded - 6/19/2009 8:52 AM ( #9 )

Sparrow, isn't it interesting that the originally informal way of addressing another (thou, thee) seems more respectful than the formal way that has become informal!
Yes Edda,
it is!
everything counts...
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Re:Gratefulness and Being grounded - 6/19/2009 10:11 AM ( #10 )

Dearest Sandra, you certainly have an Angel watching over you...

 
I think we all have several dearest Buba
 
 
I have been told that fear
as in 'fear the Lord',
means something more like
'respect with great awe' . . .

 
Sadly for me the 'fear of God' was totally
different to this
People use to use it as a threat and to
make me fearful
to use God's name like this was wrong
but now I am trying to see God as good and light
 
 
 
Jude you are right it should be respect it really should.
 
gentle thoughts to all Sandraxx
 
 
 
 
 
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Re:Gratefulness and Being grounded - 6/19/2009 11:08 AM ( #11 )
Thank you Edda
 

People use to use it as a threat and to make me fearful

 
Sandra, this is exactly what I was meaning. Now you know different, you can change the word in your head to mean what was originally intended.
 
I hope we have left those unfortunate times behind us as so many people were harmed. In one of my dictionaries 'awe' is defined as "respect combined with fear or wonder"  so let's leave out the 'fear.'
 
As God is all about Love, and fear is the opposite of Love, someone got it wrong!
Love is the only way
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Re:Gratefulness and Being grounded - 6/19/2009 7:44 PM ( #12 )

We need Betty!

 
Betty is home tomorrow night please D God

 
Jude I am trying to change 'fear of God' into love of God.
 
I will do it in time I am 100% sure and yes I am so willing to leave
 
 out the fear.
 
D God is not a weapon and the people who use him as a weapon are
 
lacking something in their own life I feel
 
Take good care,Sandra xxxx
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