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buttington
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RE: My Son - 7/12/2009 5:23 PM
Thank you Edda, it's most appreciated.
 
Love,
Jude
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RE: My Son - 7/13/2009 12:13 AM
Dear Jude, I am sorry to hear about your son. I will light a candle for your son and all involved. Sadly I think that there are some people who are so angry that they take it out on others. I am not to say that I have not been full of anger at some point in my lfe as I don't understand some of the things that have happend to me in my life, but I try very hard not to take it out on the people that I love.
 
We are stilll have alot of problems out of my 11 year old. I really think that amger and bitterness is some of his problem and that he has so much anger in him about his real mother who left him at one and she so may drugs when she was pregnant with him. He does have the ADD/ ADHD and they have now changed his meds again but even the doc said that some of his problem is just anger and stubbornness. I think another thing is too that he does it for the attention. It has really been a real real, problem again and I know for you it has to be heartbreaking as it is me with Richard. It seems like the more I try to do for him, the worse it is. Sometime you just feel like giving up but you can't. I do hope things get better for you all. With Love, Joya 

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Re:My Son - 7/13/2009 3:02 AM
Candle has been lit dear Jude.  I am so sorry to hear that he is feeling so much anger.  Of course this effects not only him, but those around him. His family. Huge blessings and love for you all, liliwings
No need to spend endless hours, days, weeks searching for the rainbow.  Open your heart and your eyes to see and know you are the rainbow you seek.  Rejoyce in the beauty of the co-creation of you.

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Re:My Son - 7/13/2009 3:12 AM
Dear Jude,
Candle is burning in your candle group.I am sorry for you as this so difficult situation when you have no peace in your own home.Thinking of you,
with love Buba,Goran's mom

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Re:My Son - 7/13/2009 7:41 AM
Dear, dear Jude . . .
I am so sorry that this situation
is escalating.
 
I pray for healing from anger for your son,
and wisdom and courage for you
to be good to you,
and not feed his anger.
I believe that people who live in anger
are experts at getting those around them engaged.
They cannot contain and hold their own anger,
and so they try to get others to carry it.
I know it is difficult,
but if you are able to keep his anger
from infecting you,
perhaps your calm
can help to diffuse it.
This is a tremendous challenge,
dear one . . .
but there is strength and power and love
within this calm
if you can find it.
I know you can
with much love . . .
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Re:My Son - 7/13/2009 8:22 AM
Thank you all so much for your loving thoughts and prayers.
Joya, I may have said before that I strongly believe my Son is one of those who are vulnerable where past/present drug taking is concerned. Yes it's heartbreaking for me, but it's Chloe who is suffering the most, and on the way is learning bad communication skills.
Sparrow, what you say is spot on!
"I believe that people who live in anger
are experts at getting those around them engaged.
They cannot contain and hold their own anger,
and so they try to get others to carry it. "

I have been thinking that too.
If I do get engaged with his anger, it just escalates, so I have learned to not get involved at all. This isn't satisfactory, but communication with him is nil. One innocent word can set him off, and if he is asked why he's angry he says something like, "because of you" so you get no-where.
My feeling of helplessness is not helped by the fact that his girlfriend will not talk about it. I know some would say she shouldn't get involved, but she is! She is in my home every week. I suspect though, that she would take his side and blame me.
 
If I get the chance I will speak to his father about it.
 
Love to all,
Jude
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re:My Son - 7/20/2009 10:49 AM
Hi Jude
I really feel for you and for Chloe.  Candle lit and prayers of healing and peaceful resolution sent with Love.
Namaste
Glenysc

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Re:My Son - 7/20/2009 1:33 PM
Thank you dear Glenys,
I will light a candle now for all your concerns,
 
with Love,
Jude
Love is the only way

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Re:My Son - 7/30/2009 9:16 PM
Jude, still thinking of you and Chloe and the whole situation involving your son. I am lighting another candle. You remain in my thoughts and prayers.

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Re:My Son - 7/31/2009 7:39 AM
Thank you so much Joya, all prayers very much needed!
 
Thinking of you too,
 
with Love,
Jude
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Re:My Son - 8/17/2009 1:44 PM
*Sigh*
I have gone through a separation and I know that, though we do it for the best, it is not always interpreted that way.
 
I'll simply say that I relate very much to the issues you are having with your son.
 
I will light a candle for you, my dear.
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Re:My Son - 8/17/2009 2:07 PM
Thank you Line,
 
I was speaking briefly the other day, with the counsellor we saw, and I said to her that it has been a big lesson for me to accept that my Son has changed, and is not the person he used to be. I don't know what happens to some people, but accepting him as he is, does sort of bring some relief, even if it's still painful. There is no point in waiting for him to become the quiet, loving person he once was.
 
Jude
 
 
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Re:My Son - 8/17/2009 10:55 PM
Blessings and love for you Jude

No, I did not take this photo. but I wanted to send a red rose to you. 
love, light and angels,  liliwings
No need to spend endless hours, days, weeks searching for the rainbow.  Open your heart and your eyes to see and know you are the rainbow you seek.  Rejoyce in the beauty of the co-creation of you.

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Re:My Son - 8/18/2009 5:27 AM
Ahhh! Blessings and Love to you too Liliwings. Such a beautiful rose.
 
Jude
Love is the only way

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Re:My Son - 8/18/2009 8:16 AM

and I said to her that it has been a big lesson for me to accept that my Son has changed, and is not the person he used to be.

. . . a painful lesson,
dear Jude,
but you are right~
that it does bring some relief . . .
perhaps it is in
"accepting what we cannot change . . ."
with love . . .
sparrow
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Re:My Son - 8/19/2009 4:21 PM
I am so sorry for you too, Jude!
May things change in a peacful way...
 
 
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Re:My Son - 8/21/2009 3:57 AM
Hi Jude, send you prayers and positive, healing thoughts. I think it's really difficult when our adult children ( a contradiction in terms me thinks!) are difficult.
At the moment with Bobi, I am trying to be in the place where I will not let him "press my buttons". Also, in the same way that there are aspects of other people's personalities that I find it difficult and do not like, it is the same with Bobi.
Of course there are days when emotions throw me off centre but that would be a whole forum to myself!
 
Sending you postiive,helaing thoughts and prayers.
namaste
Glenys x

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Re:My Son - 8/21/2009 5:56 AM
Thank you for caring, dear Isabella
 
Thank you Glenys. I often think about you and Bobi.
It does feel very strange to be distancing myself from....even avoiding someone who is my child, but it's the only way at the moment.
Sending you good thoughts and prayers,
 
with Love,
Jude
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Re:My Son - 8/22/2009 11:50 PM
Jude, I understand what you are saying re distancing yourself. I pray that you will have your son back again.  The son you knew and respected.  In the meantime I cannot imagine how sad it is for you to miss that boy / man you love so much.  Blessings and love, liliwings
No need to spend endless hours, days, weeks searching for the rainbow.  Open your heart and your eyes to see and know you are the rainbow you seek.  Rejoyce in the beauty of the co-creation of you.

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Re:My Son - 8/23/2009 5:46 AM
Thank you dear Liliwings,
Yes, very sad, and the only way to cope with it is to shut my mind off to a lot of things, and pray that the more pleasant and loving side of him will reappear. It's in there, but well disguised.
 
with Love,
Jude
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Re:My Son - 8/28/2009 11:48 AM
hi Jude, it is such a difficult situation that you are in. Don't be too hard on yourself for keeping a distance between you and your son, "space" is very useful and very necessary at times!
Prayers of support and love to you . Prayers that your son reaches a place of peace, positivity and genuine understanding.
" You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth.  
The Archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite, and He bends you with His might that His arrows amy go swift and far.
Let your bending in the Archer's hand be for gladness;
For even as he loves that arrow that flies, so He loves also the bow that is stable" Kahlil Gibran
 
Hugs across the ether
Glenys x

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Re:My Son - 8/28/2009 11:51 AM
Thank you dear Glenys,
 
Hugs back to you too,
 
with Love,
Jude
Love is the only way

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Re:My Son - 9/21/2009 1:00 PM
Please would you light a candle for our household, especially my son as I truly despair of him ever seeing into his own heart and the pain he causes, both to himself and everyone around him.
 
This morning I was laughing at his over-reacting. Now I feel embarrassed and mortified.
 
Workmen have been here all day replacing a very old central heating boiler, as part of a scheme to save energy and bills for people on state benefits, of which I am one.
He has just got home from holiday and has literally cursed and shouted at the poor unsuspecting men because he didn't know they were coming today and he couldn't get in the drive! Then he started on me because I hadn't told him it was happening today. As he was on holiday I didn't bother him and thought it wasn't a matter of life or death as he knew it would happen sometime. These things have to be done when workmen are free. One would expect him to be grateful he hasn't got to pay out a couple of thousand pounds for a new boiler, but there we are........
Lastly, Chloe shut the keys in the living room in her panic to get it locked (she isn't supposed to be in her own living room!!) and both she and I got more shouting. I refused to partake in an argument until he had calmed down.
I got the usual "We are selling the house." threat, and what has been a perfectly peaceful day is now in tatters.
 
How can this be??? How long before he learns?
 
Despite apologising to the workmen I still feel shaken and shamed by his behaviour.
 
I have lit a candle in the All group by mistake, but will start the Gemrk group again.
 
Love to all and thanks in advance
Jude
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Re:My Son - 9/22/2009 2:14 AM
Candles would be very much appreciated,
 
Love,
Jude
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Re:My Son - 9/22/2009 5:10 AM
Dear Jude please don't think I am harsh by saying this, it's
because I care for 'your happiness' and well being.
Your son so often threatens you with 'selling the house'.

I really feel that your own sanity and peace of mind is
worth  far more than bricks and mortar.
 
 

How can this be??? How long before he learns?

 
It has been well over two years since you started this thread
and it looks like he will never learn,but maybe you can.

Do any of you have any advice for me?

 
Do you want to spend the rest of your life  like this?.
Jude I once walked your path but with a baby inside
of me.I sold my own home and it broke my heart in two
but I did it for my own sanity ..   

 
Jude your life is precious and it's a life that needs love
and care and your son is sadly not giving you either but
you can Jude ,you can.Life is far too short as we know,
so why let anyone walk all over you..
 
Take good care Jude and know I say this because I 
care for your happiness within. 
Sandra xx
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Re:My Son - 9/22/2009 7:34 AM
Thank you dear Sandra. I agree. I won't be walked over though. All of you have given me strength to not let that happen.
I spoke to his dad about it this morning, who can't understand him either.
 
Blessings,
Jude
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Re:My Son - 9/22/2009 7:47 AM

How can this be??? How long before he learns?

I don't think you expected an answer,
dear Jude . . .
'It is what it is',
(an expression I hate,
but is often so very true
and to the point)
and your son may never change
unless something happens to rattle him to the core.
I fear for your peace of mind
and for Chloe . . .
 
I hope that today
finds your ship in calmer waters.
It is almost impossible to deal with someone
who is out of control and unreasonable
and you have done well to stay out of the fray
until clearer heads prevail,
but it seems that you have no leverage or control . . .
that there are no consequences for your son.
Oh, don't get me wrong~
there are consequences,
but he does not see them.
That doesn't mean
that they are not there.
The consequences are emotional alienation
from both his daughter
and from you . . .
rifts in relationships
are hard to heal if
all concerned are not engaged in the process.
You must have to take on responsiblity
for your own healing,
and to a certain extent
for Chloe's . . .
you can be a role model for Chloe
and a source of unconditional love
that she does not seem to get
from her father.
I believe that a big part of our problems
of feeling unlovable,
and undeserving,
and 'less than' as adults
stem from lack of unconditional love.
Not all of us get it from our family or love relationships,
so we must get them from the universe . . .
from God,
from our Higher Power,
from our Source,
from Grace.
Dear Jude,
I feel I have gone on a bit,
but what I am trying to say I think,
is that you can find calm water
within yourself.
It is part of our life's work
to become whole.
There is nothing you can do to change your son.
Short of moving out,
you can only change you.
 
"God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

 
Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He did, this sinful world
as it is, not as I would have it;
Trusting that He will make all things right
if I surrender to His Will;
That I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with Him
Forever in the next.
Amen."
--Reinhold Niebuhr
I wish that I could give you a real hug just now,
but I can't,
so please know that I hold you in my heart.
I know it is painful,
and I know that you feel helpless . . .
I hate that feeling myself.
I light a candle for you
with love
and hope that its little flame
might at least let you know
that you are not alone, dear Jude,
not alone at all,
but surrounded and held up by something greater than all of this . . .
sparrow
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Re:My Son - 9/22/2009 8:04 AM

It is part of our life's work to become whole.

 
Dearest Sparrow, you never "go on a bit"
 
Thank you so much for every word.
 
Thank you for the prayers which I shall take to heart.
 
with Love and Blessings,
Jude
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Re:My Son - 9/22/2009 8:47 AM
Dear Jude,
you are in my thoughts and prayers.
I have light a candle in your group ,
and I hope you don't mind if I put
a link here:
        gemrk
 
~with love and regards~
    Buba,Goran's mom

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Re:My Son - 9/22/2009 12:31 PM
Thank you my dear Buba. All the Love and candles coming my way are sure to help.
 
With Love,
Jude
Love is the only way

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Re:My Son - 9/22/2009 2:59 PM
Dear Jude,
 
I just found your message now! You have already received a lot of wise words. So I will simply tell you that you are in my thoughts and in my heart.
 
I will light a candle in your group,
 
Much love and warm hugs,
Edda
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Re:My Son - 9/22/2009 4:12 PM
Thank you dear Edda for your love and care.
 
With Love and Blessings,
Jude
Love is the only way

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Re:My Son - 9/22/2009 4:56 PM
Dear Jude,

I am going to light a candle right now, keeping you in my prayer.

Much Love,

Juliana
"Speak Peace in a World of Conflict" (M.B.Rosenberg)

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Re:My Son - 9/23/2009 4:15 AM
Thank you dear Juliana. Believe me, they are helping.
 
I've just spotted your picture! Are they little Martians?
(not related to Marvin I hope )
 
With much Love,
Jude
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Re:My Son - 9/23/2009 6:41 AM

Dear Jude,

Yes, I trust the power of prayer in whatever form, too - and candle lighting is a form practiced very much in Austria, one that is permanent with me.

It took me a long time to decide on a picture, as I didn´t really like any of the ones offered. The one I chose is titled "friends", and therefore the only one that appealed to me. I didn´t see them as Martians - just as PEOPLE, wherever they may be from! . (Marvin may actually be among them ;-) !) Relationships of all kinds are most important to me, whether with "cyber" or "earth" friends... You are certainly one of my "oldest" and best here ;)]!

Love,

Juliana
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Re:My Son - 9/23/2009 7:10 AM
Dear Juliana,
I like your interpretaion of the little people much better. Of course they aren't Martians!
 
Thank you for your kind words. I am going to do a cleansing ceremony of the house today, with candles and prayers.
 
I do see this as a learning experience for me
 
With Love and Blessings,
Jude
Love is the only way

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Re:My Son - 9/24/2009 4:48 AM
As the madness continues, I'm asking if you would kindly light candles specifically for my Son.
 
For what ever reason his behaviour is bizarre!
 
I am not engaging in it with him as I know he is doing things to get a reaction from me, and so far I haven't reacted.
Friends and family are helping me by making me laugh at the rediculousness of it....there is no understanding it.
 
I have circle dancing and acupuncture today, which will help me some more.
 
Blessings to all,
Wuth Love,
Jude
 
Love is the only way

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Re:My Son - 9/24/2009 6:00 AM
I am sorry to hear,
dear Jude,
that this behavior has continued . . .
usually it rather happens in short bursts?
I hope the circle dancing and acupuncture help you,
and I will light a candle for your son
with love . . .
sparrow
 
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Re:My Son - 9/24/2009 6:53 AM
Jude, prayers and healing thoughts to you and your family. My heart goes out to you. I pray for a loving and peaceful resolution for you and that your son realises the effect he is having on you, Choe and others.
Love and hugs
Namaste
Glenys x

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Re:My Son - 10/24/2009 2:30 PM
Always keeping you both in my prayers. Sending love.

X Tara

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