Hi Bernie!
 
I love Deepok's work as he combines western and eastern practices. I was fortunate to do his perfect health workshop! I did fall in love with Ayervedic on that weekend though I too trust in western technologies as we have made advances where others do not comprehend in them culturally. The spirit of healing is always in the design you see and many confuse it as only being mechanical just my point of view not many concur with me. Even in the western ways the focus is giving the body time to do its natural function of healing by caring for the symptoms. I have witnessed the partnership of these two working to advance healing. Have you read his quantum healing book. I love his stories of people who have what he talks about as quantum/God healings as he constitutes them as being less then one percent of the time...but still his spirit yearns to be able to find the capacity to heal and move others towards this profiound mystery of spiritual healing. It is so uncomprehendable in nature. But is often always in all healings that take place here, just quietly accompanying all of it. I have great faith in our doctors here and the work they do every day to heal their patients with all they have in their capacity and spirit. His work has touched me profoundly and though I hold a more postive vie of western medicine than many that view it so disconnectedly from spirit. That is not what I have witnessed personally. I have seen healing upon healing in this western medicine role. They will make leaps and bounds in the care of all people everyday. Though I do promote alternatives views of the eastern ways being integrated everyday as well.  What works is always advisable! Being too anti one or the other to me is not advisable. Ayervedic medicine fascinates my senses and my sprirt as I have been awakened you might say to its senstive nature. I have read so much work on it and took classes and work shops since my perfect health seminar. Like chinese medicine it has such a wealth of body of the nature of human and spritual natures. So awesome all of its ancient studies that are at times the unchangeable history of humanity physical manifestations of disease.  
 
Peace, Love and Joy,
Diane

Grateful to be here!
What a gift and connection builder!
Love and Gratitude,
Love who You Are

Yes, very interesting, apropos comments... East & West must be better integrated & unified; each complements one another beautifully, wholly.
 
Thanks for your insights, I'll continue researching, perusing Chopra's works, extraordinary healer and teacher!, for a presentation I'm preparing on pharmacology (not really my area of expertise, but definitely intrigued by it) to have a more holistic approach.
 
"As doctors we are taught to prescribe, Chopra recalls a model he calls Quantum Healing, a paradigm he created for exploring the healing process, to prescribe tranquillizers for people who are feeling anxious to promote tranquility. We give sleeping pills to people with insomnia. Quantum Healing looks past all the wonder drugs and modern technology to a natural way of healing which speaks to an integration of mind and body." - (This certainly is ideal because it gets to the core, the essence; doesn't only mask the issue w/o truly curing at the depths of being in full communion w/ Being...)
 
“So, it was natural that ‘civilization’ came early to Asia, and late to Europe, but it was also natural that Europe became far more successful in a materialistic sense. It is Western materialism which has brought forth chemical medicine, and Asian philosophy which brought forth medicine based on philosophy, as senior, and natural plants as common sources of practical use.

Western medicine teaches (a la Dr. Wundt) that man arose from a sea of chemicals, and has no soul.  Eastern medicine is full of religious philosophy which has little if any practical application that works 100% of the time.  Western medicine is bankrupt, dying, yet people are trying to put band aides on the corpse -- click here for a simple example of the common story.

The comparison of the East and the West is in no way more apparent than the Western approach with drugs and the absence of God from the equation.  In the East we have God, and philosophy, but these have not ‘worked’ to improve the lot of life there. When a man's belly is empty, or his kid sick, he forgets any philosophical teaching, substituting for it the rituals which, without understanding, are without meaning and value.
 
What is needed is the melding of the Western practicality with the Eastern philosophy, with a dose of 'honest and accurate observation' thrown in to keep the Eastern philosophy oriented toward the type of results that Westerners so love.
 
That is what has been absent from every religion in history -- either East or West. Somewhere, within an applied religious philosophy there must be some result in the here-and-now -- some result in this time frame. That 'result' must be measurable in elimination of war and disease -- man's religions have not brought peace on earth, whether or not they bring spiritual salvation in the hereafter.” (History and Origin of Ayurvedic Medicine) 
  
["... Note:  I would add, here that 'understanding' cannot be 'understood' in an intellectual sense, but can only be demonstrated by 'applying' the data in the physical universe. In this sense 'love of God' may seem to be capable of being understood by observing a person 'in prayer.' But, this is obviously much too superficial, so 'Love of God' is a phrase that may well be beyond 'understanding,' and may be only capable of experiencing personally. Fortunately, the words and phrases being used here do have application in the physical universe. Bob can either read, or cannot, or Bob can read and pass a test and then apply what he read? or not.] - (an excerpt from a readable explanation, by Robert Wilson, of teaching reading)
 

What is needed is the melding of the Western practicality with the Eastern philosophy, with a dose of 'honest and accurate observation' thrown in to keep the Eastern philosophy oriented toward the type of results that Westerners so love.

 
Bernie,
This is indeed an interesting subject. I think the day will come when the two will have to integrate. Each has so much to offer.
 
Jude

Love is the only way

Dear friends,
 
Maybe some of you know this excellent holistic teacher:
 
http://www.danreid.org/about-daniel-reid-writer-chinese-medicine-tcm-health-tao-taosim.asp
 
Greetings,
Fred
 

Xlent source - thanx!
 
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Maybe some of you know this excellent holistic teacher:

 
Dear Fred, I'm afraid I don't know of this particular man, but Chinese Medicine is well respected.
 
Jude

Love is the only way

Hi Bernie, Fred and Jude!
 
Thanks for the resources!
The article on his wife is really inspiring.
There is a book on Energy Medicine by Donna Eden that is very good also easy enough for a lay man's guide to helping your self. Then another book I read called Quantum Doctor by Amit Goswami Ph. D. Here's a piece of her work...Now the crucial question: If quantum healing involves creativity of the mind, can we develop a program of action for healing ourselves based on this idea? It is true that creativity is acausal. We used to call a creative insight God's Grace. But it is also true that engaging in the creative process in it's four stages  (preparation, incubation, insights and manifestation with understanding) helps creative acts. What would entail in the case of the mind-body healing?   She then goes on to talk about creating a relationship between doctor and patient to help increase the chances of this quantum healing. Sometimes I think it already is part of healing everyday and just isn't eay to quantify it scientifically and only now it is being discussed openly by a broader part of Doctors nowadays...I guess that is because I often tend to see some innovations as just an exercise of open discussions that were once just talked about in smaller circles of communities since time began. Nothing new under the sun...that is why these ancient medicinal values re-emerge or at least it seems so as it is new to some of us. I do love it myself. Just like food is medicine...if anyone ever read or saw the author (can't recall his name right now watched UCSD Seminar with him...) boiled down his insights to:  never eat anything your grandma wouldn't or didn't...organic and not processed, etc., pick labels with five or less ingredients... or integrated with ayervedic...same principles fresh...alive with more vital nutrients...organics... all have in common one theme, really. Although with ayervedic there is reasons for having cooked foods because of constitutions. Just like when you eat well you feel it...when you don't...you feel it. Pretty simple. What I found fascinating is how because of eating within the seasons here how many of the ayervedic food patterns are actually quite naturally followed already in America. Maybe just some minor adjustments with the specific knowledge. Often I ponder so it is with the mind...and so on and the energy centers as well. Love this topic!
 
Peace, Love and Joy,
Diane

Grateful to be here!
What a gift and connection builder!
Love and Gratitude,
Love who You Are

Mind-body healing occurs as a Quantum Leap into existence, a saltus, which transcends rationalism per se - the epitome of rationalism - as has been virtually occurring in all disciplines - psychology, philosophy, literature, art, etc.- and a New holistic approach & methodology is coming into existence, into being; yes, into full-fruition of inner-realization - body-mind-spirit integrated & unified nondually, i.e., an onto-psychosomatic entity or continuum, ad infinitum...

Friends, here is a message from Cynthia Bourgeault
 
Hi Freddie
If it's healing you wish, I suggest strongly that you look up Michael Brown, THE PRESENCE PROCESS (you can google him; his website is called the Presence
Portal.) If it's knowledge about gnostic traditions of healing, you seem to have covered the bases pretty well. You might want to check out Robert Powell's sophianic work (he's the translator of Meditations on the Tarot and currently based in Germany, in Kinsau (near Munich). Michae; Brown will probably leave your mystical Christian/Orthodox alarm signals completely scrambled, but his personal experience in recovering from incurable pain, based in a simple, breath-based meditation pattern, is likely to do the trick if you're willing to forget everything you know.
Blessings on your quest,
 
Cynthia

Dear Fred,
Early on in my Spiritual Quest I was warned I may have to change my views on everything!!!!!! Sometimes it's necessary to throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak.
Later, you can take back those things that are still relevant to you, but be prepared to unlearn most of what you know.
 
It isn't in my nature to do that. I'm much too cautious. So I did it bit by bit, which is also OK, but takes longer. Most of us need to do it the long way round.
I made the decision to be open minded about EVERYTHING, and just making that decision is enough. You don't have to accept anything unless it feels right to you. And anyway, anything you have already learned and accepted, and which is important to you, you will take back ....nothing is lost that is important.
 
Blessings,
Jude
 
To be prepared to think differently is the key.

Love is the only way

Early on in my Spiritual Quest I was warned I may have to change my views on everything!!!!!!

Yes, yes, yes!
Frightening,
but oh so freeing I think!
   ♥

everything counts... ♥

Reading on with interest.
 
Is anyone here interested in Joseph Campbell? Carl Jung?
 
The study of mythical archetypes is really interesting.
 
I have been on a long journey, and I don't label myself any more as far as religion is concerned.
 
To fight this intruder I have some probability of having in me, I call on images of the goddess Athena, strong women of the Bible like Judith... I envision myself sending this "thing" out of my body and into the ground to the central fire, where it cannot hurt anyone. I talk to it and say "You are not welcome here. Out!" Also, when I meditate, I feel the great love of God who resides everywhere in the universe (and also in this temple that is my being) holding me tenderly.
 
The imagery mobilizes my immune system. It is also very calming.
 
 

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Friends, a very interesting message from this Michael Brown
 
http://www.namastepublishing.com/brown.asp 
 
http://www.namastepublishing.com/brown_reviews.asp (reviews!)
 
http://www.thepresenceportal.com/
 
http://www.amazon.com/Presence-Process-Healing-Journey-Awareness/dp/0825305373 (reviews)
 
Dear Fred,
 
It is not much use doing the breathing exercise without the procedure in The Presence Process. It is not necessary for me to read your letter as the causal point of discomfort is the same for all. The Presence Process tackles this.
 
I do not believe in therapy - it keeps us mental. Understanding does not lead to integration - feliing without condition does. I suggest, if you truly wish to gain from this work, you commence The Presence Process. It will likely be the last book you read on the subject.
 
Kind regards,
 
Michael.

Dear Line,
I hadn't heard of Joseph Campbell. I was at one time interested in archetypes, and my spiritual teacher was especially interested in traditional fairy-tales. She asked us to write about our favourite fairy tale. Mine was The Snow Queen and I learned a lot about myself when really studying the story. I'm not the Snow Queen I hasten to add, but Gerda......also in some ways, Isis.
 
Jude

Love is the only way

Dear Fred,
the reviews for this man's book seem very positive. My only reservation is his last sentence to you, that this will probably be the last book you read on the subject. I would be wary of anyone who made such a claim.
However, he does subscribe to the modern thinking that 'talking therapy' keeps you in your head, which I know you don't want.
Personally I believe we need some talking therapy as well as other types.
 
Blessings,
Jude

Love is the only way

Dear Green Woman,
 
There is a lot of material on archetypes/symbolism...:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archetype
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_archetypes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolism
........
Some authorities are:
http://www.jeanshinodabolen.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_Eliade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bly
http://www.robertbly.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Dupre
....
 
And this one:
http://aras.org/ ???
 
Greetings,
Fred
 
 

http://www.endicott-studio.com/rdrm/forcaduc.html
 
One example of the complexity and different layers of symbolism!!!
 
Fred