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“As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).” 6/15/2012 9:08 AM (permalink)

“As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).” – We are truly what we think. It is impossible to help a person to give up their folly & live responsibly w/o helping him to change what is most basic – his thinking… It is critically important that we help them – cognitively distorted thinkers – who are amenable, so that they may habilitate themselves & become productive thinkers. The savings to society will be incalculable if we are successful in that endeavor, even w/ a minority of cognitively-distorted thinkers.

 

“The achievement of a true inner silence is well worth the effort and the persistent training which it takes. Besides being necessary for receptive meditation it has a spiritual value of its own; it is conducive to a condition of harmony, peace, and quiet joy, and it produces a sense of expansion of consciousness; it is also essentially restful and refreshing.

The Law of Spiritual Approach, which links us with our greater 'Being,' and the Principle of Essential Divinity, the spark of God in every man, open up to us our participation in a life greater than our own. They show that there is no real gap between man and God and bring the realization that we can discover this not only through religious experience, but through recognition of our place within the 'Whole.'

Daily, through every branch of science, discovery is being made of our relationship to one great Life, and of our interdependence as parts of the whole within that encompassing Reality. Among all the wonders being opened up to us none is more revelatory and inspiring than the identical nature of microcosm and macrocosm, atom and star.

These Laws and Principles form a fundamental code for our life in the New Age. They ring out a note of our higher possibilities, and if we will work with them they can establish those conditions upon earth which will truly build a new and better world."

Above extracts from deeply spiritual booklets, "Meditation Group for the New Age," replete w/ pithy wisdom which greatly facilitate meditation; indeed, from a psycho-spiritual point of view as a service to humanity as it dedicates itself, believes in, and is willing to serve, through the Higher power's inspiration and guidance. The unity of being and becoming: "Cosmic Consciousness," as an outgrowth of maturity, as seen in psychoanalytic therapy and religious experience.
 

 
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    Marianna Müler de Martinez

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    Re:“As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).” 6/15/2012 10:40 AM (permalink)
    "as  a man  thinketh  in his  heart ,  so  is he  "
     
    it  certainly  is a  service  to humanity
    dedicated  and  believing -  serving  the   HGHEST   POWER      -      and  we  can°t do  anything else-
    there are higher  posibilities  we  have  to  use  building   around us  conditions  for  a  new  and  better  world    -  and  we  can°t  do  anything  else                  -   who  else  should     -               because we see   how  they  are  suffering   -
     
    but   ---OH  ,  SO   LONESOME   --------------

     
      -          

     
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      Re:“As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).” 6/15/2012 11:13 AM (permalink)
      We've had a similar discussion before. I HAVE thoughts which I can change, but if I AM my thoughts, who is the agent changing them?
      Peace and joy!
       
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        Re:“As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).” 6/15/2012 12:36 PM (permalink)
        I believe we are only "what we think," to ourselves, and we can always change that thinking.
        We aren't our thoughts, but how we think of ourselves can change who we are.
         
        I think it's a bit like, if we think the world is a hostile place, that is what we will mainly experience, but if we think of the world as a good and beautiful place, that is what we will mainly experience.
        There is a story, isn't there about two people entering the same village and asking an old man what the people are like. I'll see if I can find it. I think it goes something like this. The first person asks the old man, and tells him they have heard the people are mean and unwelcoming. The old man tells the person that yes, the people are like that. The second person tells him they have heard the people of the village are kindly and welcoming, and the old man tells the person that yes, the people are like that.
        It's all a matter of perspective, and we are all a mixture of the positive and the negative, according to how we think. If we enter the village thinking the people are all nasty unwelcoming people, we will probably find some!
        Love is the only way
         
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          Re:“As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).” 6/15/2012 2:03 PM (permalink)
          "as a man thinketh  in his   heart  ,  so is he "
           
          well  , I  think  we  are gifted  and  precious  ,  we   have  got  so  many  blessings   ,we  have  got  opened  eyes   ,......................
           
          consequence   :     HE , who has  made all that ,  has  the  right to  use us...........................  and  we  have  to  be  grateful  for  that.............
           
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            Re:“As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).” 6/15/2012 6:51 PM (permalink)
               Augustinus   used   to  say   giving   the HOLY  COMMUNION  
             
            "RECIEVE       WHAT       YOU       ARE             ,               SO   THAT        YOU      BECOME     WHAT     YOU      RECIEVE         ,                    BODY     OF       CHRIST"
             
             
             
              Proverbs  say   :    "so  is   he"       ..........................................................           
            the    unity    of                      "thinking"      and  "being"   and    "becoming "  ............................

             
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              Re:“As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).” 6/16/2012 6:45 AM (permalink)
              Yes,
              we have had a similar conversation.
              "As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he."
              I always thought this was a quote from James Allen
              who wrote a wonderful little book
              called 'As A Man Thinketh.'
              I remember posting a link some time ago
              to that book in its entirety available free online.
               
              I do believe it is true,
              that however we perceive things
              is how they are for us,
              and that we have the free will to change that perception . . .
              everything counts...
               
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                Re:“As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).” 6/16/2012 9:39 AM (permalink)
                If it were true that we are what we think, there would be no poor, no starving, no victims of crime or abuse, no innocent casualties, no rich people who cause the death and illness of others by their ignorance.
                 
                Thoughts are a result, not a cause.  They come late in the sequence in human experience - event, physical result, emotional response, cognitive response, reactive response.  I can modify all of these after the physical, but I can not change the first two.   And if I try to change the cognitive response without changing the emotional response I will simply divert the effects of the emotional response.
                 
                And isn't the ultimate goal of self-awareness to achieve a one-mind/heart/spirit state, where there is no differentiation.
                 
                And spiritually, to achieve the state of no-self in the Divine.  No-thought.
                 
                A choice to become one with God as one conceives that to be is just that, a choice.  An instant.  One may spend time thinking it through, but ultimately we need to let go of a need to think about it in order to achieve having no need to think about it.
                 
                Joe
                 
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                  Re:“As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).” 6/16/2012 7:15 PM (permalink)
                                                            Deep Truth

                   

                   
                  *  Keep your thoughts positive because your thoughts become your words.
                   
                  *  Keep your words positive because your words become your behaviors.
                   
                  *  Keep your behaviors positive because your behaviors become your habits.
                   
                  *  Keep your habits positive because your habits become your values.
                   
                  *  Keep your values positive because your values become your destiny.
                   
                                                                                                - Gandhi
                   
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                    Re:“As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).” 6/17/2012 2:26 AM (permalink)
                    so  let°s  start   the day
                     
                    keeping  ourselves     POSITIVE       !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                     
                     
                    have  a  blessed  SUNDAY

                     
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                      Re:“As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).” 6/17/2012 4:45 AM (permalink)
                      Thank you Bernie, and Gandhi. I know this to be true!
                      Love is the only way
                       
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                        Re:“As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).” 6/17/2012 6:17 AM (permalink)
                          AND    THINKING     POSITIVE     IS        MUCH           BETTER      FOR       HEALTH  !!!!!!!!!!   everything  looks   nicer  !!!!!!!!!
                         
                        we  only  have to  use  divine  creativity     (always    given  to us )
                         
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                          Re:“As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).” 6/20/2012 8:15 AM (permalink)
                          I hadn't noticed until now, but the psalm talks of a man thinking "in his heart".  Does this mean feelings? or thoughts with an emotional aspect?  I find I have a world of thoughs that is in my head that don't affect me emotionally (I might go to the supermarket this morning instead of this afternoon).  These have very little impact on my higher functioning, unless this type of thinking becomes dominant, which usually means there are feelings I don't want to admit to myself I have, or that I can't deal with.  On the level of my Dissociative Identity Disorder I have several alter-egos that have little or no emotional functioning, and it can be a bit scary being them because they are so matter-of-fact.
                           
                          There are feelings themselves, but the psalmist speaks of thoughts in the heart, so it could mean thoughts which have a strong or deep emotional reaction or trigger.  But if I'm angry because I think someone has been unfair towards me, or is threatening me, it's a normal response to my experience.  And the angry thoughts (or scared, or loved or happy) are also normal, unless they become my usual state, by blocking other thoughts (e.g. someone who is constantly angry or anxious).
                           
                          Then there is attitude and motivation, both of which have both a brain and a heart aspect.  Now these can govern my relationship with the world (e.g. racism or greed), but does this become what I am?  Well I guess it does.  I am racist or generous to others because I am racist or generous in my heart and thoughts.  So that seems to be what the psalmist was talking about.  And if my motivation is greed or achieving power my thoughts and feelings will be directed to satisfying that (need?) in me.  Or helping others, or healing the hurts that have been done to the earth.
                           
                          And the natural, logical follow-on from that for me is to see that by totally surrendering my mind and heart and body and spirit to my Father, I won't in fact become anything.  I will cease to be, as separate and self.  It will be a not-becoming, or a becoming not. 
                           
                          One day.
                           
                          Joe
                           
                           
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                            Re:“As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).” 6/20/2012 8:28 AM (permalink)
                            I believe that, when we come from our heart it means we are coming from our higher selves, or a higher knowledge. 
                            We should take more notice of how our thoughts make us feel in our bodies. That is really what is meant, I think, when they talk about coming from the heart. If it feels right (gut reaction for instance) it is probably coming from the heart, or the 'right' place. It's being sincere.
                            I believe our hearts know what is right or not right, and I try to put things to my 'heart' to test them.
                            Some scientists now think the physical heart and also the stomach, have 'brains' of their own.
                            Love is the only way
                             
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                              Re:“As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).” 6/20/2012 8:49 AM (permalink)
                              I think one problem is that we tend to compartmentalize too much, trying to put everything into a neat cubbyhole. To me the ideal is to integrate all aspects or dimensions of my being and act as a whole person. For some the initial response is more in thoughts, for others in emotions, we are all different but need to find our unique balance.
                              Peace and joy!
                               
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                                Re:“As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).” 6/21/2012 5:25 AM (permalink)
                                "To me the ideal is to integrate all aspects or dimensions of my being and act as a whole person."
                                 
                                That is the intention...the ideal
                                 
                                "True creativity quite simply starts with balancing your emotions and activating the power of the heart. Through practicing emotional management from the heart, you tap into the highest form of creativity possible-recreating your perceptions of reality."
                                - Doc Childre


                                 


                                Love is the only way
                                 
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                                  Re:“As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).” 6/21/2012 5:48 AM (permalink)
                                  I just found this in my emails. It seems related to this thread
                                   

                                  Think Eternity
                                  Life experiences are like sentences – we are always looking for the full stop, the conclusion. It’s OK to end a train of thought, but not thought itself. Thoughts are like the magic carpet, on which the soul rides across eternity - in reality, there are no endings, no conclusions. Rest for the spirit (which is what we are) is when we allow only the current of the purest thoughts to flow through our mind - thoughts which carry good wishes and blessings for ourselves and others. This is not so much going with the flow, as being in the flow, and refreshed by the flow. For when we have powerful, positive thoughts for and about others, who experiences them first?

                                   
                                  Love is the only way
                                   
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                                    Re:“As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he (Proverbs 23:7).” 6/21/2012 6:49 AM (permalink)
                                    Mind is the Master power that moulds and makes,
                                    And Man is Mind, and evermore he takes
                                    The tool of Thought, and, shaping what he wills,
                                    Brings forth a thousand joys, a thousand ills:—
                                    He thinks in secret, and it comes to pass:
                                    Environment is but his looking-glass.
                                     
                                    Here is a link to free book . . .
                                    http://james-allen.in1woord.nl/?text=as-a-man-thinketh
                                    'As A Man Thinketh'
                                    by James Allen
                                    everything counts...
                                     
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