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Can anyone interpret? - 2/14/2008 3:18:07 PM   
joeharmony

 

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Status: offline 		I have had  a vision (not really sure of the right word, it's an internal image that is there all the time) for the last couple of days, and I wondered if anyone could interpret it for me.

I see myself standing surrounded by gray; I have no face, and I feel that there is a skin over my face.  When I reach up with my arms to remove the skin, I find I have no hands.  If I could remove the skin I would be free (from ????).  There are no strong emotions associated with the vision, more a sense of powerlessness to release myself from where I am.

I feel as if this is very important in my growth and healing.

Can anyone help?

With Love
Joe
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RE: Can anyone interpret? - 2/14/2008 4:54:53 PM   
bernie

 

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Status: offline 		Very rich symbolism, sir, in your dreamwork - the interpretation, meaning is deep w/in you; for instance, you can try dialoguing w/ different, significant parts of your dream as if you were in the 'hot seat', a Gestalt therapy technique - just stream-of-consciousness-like, ad-libbing, from the top of your head, then suddenly just ask it a question (the part of your dream you're dialoguing with), then change seats & answer the question as if you are the 'abstract dream part', i.e., answering yourself in the adjacent seat... the inner-meaning will, then, often be projected from deep (esp. if you're in an alpha, nonthreatening state of consciousness)  w/in you...
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RE: Can anyone interpret? - 2/14/2008 5:19:16 PM   
buttington

 

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Status: offline 		Joe, I would agree with Bernie here. Do you meditate? Keep asking for an explanation of what the 'grey' is/means. Don't think too much about the answer to your question......take the first thought that comes and work with that.

To me, off the top of my head, it would suggest something you are unwilling to break through and look closely at. Or it could be remnants of depression......a greyness. Because of the lack of emotion, it would seem to represent a prop of some kind which you have been using, and are now being asked to perhaps do without? Mybe you would find it difficult to do without the prop, hence the "no hands" with which to remove it.

Just a couple of thoughts. These things are very personal to you, and only you can truly interpret them. Keep asking.

Jude

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RE: Can anyone interpret? - 2/14/2008 11:02:48 PM   
Thankful one

 

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Status: offline 		Joe,
A very interesting and appealing vision! I definitely agree with Bernie that having a dialogue with this energy can be very illuminating. I also agree with Jude's very sage insights into the color and the meaning behind the symbolism.

Here's my two cents. I see this as a fairly significant breakthrough for you. Congratulations.

You have had "dark or grey" subconscious things you have been trying to deal with so you can move on with your heart, your love and your life. The feelings have been far below the surface where they are difficult to deal with.

Your vision shows that these "gray" images and feelings are no longer buried deep in your subconscious. You are strong enough now to "face" them without fear. You are able to "face" them directly. You know them for what they are.

You are able to face them without having strong emotions of shame, guilt, anger or frustration. The old, bad memories (my idea of what the gray represents) no longer have the ability to make you feel ashamed, small, hurt or scared.

The past memories are now only "skin" deep as opposed to being large masses of bad feelings. This is a good sign.

I find it quite significant that you are standing. If you were sitting, the gray forces would be more in control. You would be much less strong and able to make the necessary moves to deal with these past images. The fact that you are standing seems to signify that you can "stand" up to these bad memories.

Maybe I am reading too much into this, but I feel the fact that what covers your face is gray is also a good sign. Gray is lighter than black, the color we normally associate with bad feelings and subconscious thoughts. It's like your bad memories have already been exposed to the "light" of your emotional work and are not nearly so dark as they used to be. You no longer have a "dark cloud" that surrounds you and your emotions.

I think in your heart you know that you cannot remove these bad memories with your hands or your head. Your hands and head know that they cannot do what needs to be done to remove the gray. This makes your hands and head feel powerless.

These memories will be removed by your heart with the power of love. Your heart knows this. Your heart also knows that you have at least somewhat successfully faced these memories before. You have quite courageously not shrunk from the prospect of facing up to these memories. I, for one, am very proud of your willingness to face up to your past bad memories.

That is why you have no strong emotions about this event. To me, this is the strongest part of the entire vision and the one that I hope provides you with the most comfort. If there was something covering my face and I could not remove it, I would be very scared and anxious.

Your heart is not worried. Your heart knows that it is strong and that you can "stand" up to these memories. Your heart knows deep down that it will win the battle for control of your emotions and that these bad memories will not control your heart and your emotions any longer. The perserverance of your willingness to love and be loved furthers your healing.

Yes, you have more emotional work to do. No, you are not out of the woods. I do not envy the work to remove this darkness from your life. Yes, these bad memories still have some lessened power over you.

There is still some significant power your memories have over your hands. Maybe your hands are part of some of your bad memories, maybe not. Maybe your hands are expressive of your powerlessness you felt at the time to protect yourself when these bad memories occurred.

Your face, which is the seat of our emotional expression, still is not able to express itself fully. Your comment that "I have no face" demonstrated a lack of full ability to express your emotions. This inability to express yourself emotionally as much as you would like will work itself out soon enough with the way you are taking good care of yourself and protecting yourself against unhealthy influences.

But these memories realize that they cannot control or stifle your heart or your love. They will still try to make your world "surrounded by gray" and mess with your outlook and what you can see right now. But their power is greatly diminished from what it once was.

I feel that this image you so generously shared is like your soul pushing a splinter from beneath the skin to the surface of your skin to remove this impurity from your spirit.

If anyone thinks my lengthy explanation is off base, that's okay. Some of it may make sense to Joe!

Thankful one
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RE: Can anyone interpret? - 2/15/2008 9:58:58 AM   
bernie

 

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Status: offline 		As an afterthought, your recurrent 'vision', sounds more psychic-like - could this have somehow been precipitated by a recent injury? If so, just let it flow & deeper meaning will ensue - however, and it's a very fine-line (psychic or hallucinatory) - if this vision you're having feels as if it's not good, even evil or demonic, then you need to have spiritual-type assistance post haste.

< Message edited by bernie -- 2/15/2008 11:18:08 AM >
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RE: Can anyone interpret? - 2/15/2008 1:59:41 PM   
buttington

 

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Status: offline 		Joe, I also have an afterthought. (Thankful one, lengthy or not you made some very valid points.)

I just thought that, the 'you' with no face could be the old you which you are now emerging from. When you successfully remove the covering, the new you will be born !

Butterfly emerging from cocoon?

Jude

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RE: Can anyone interpret? - 2/15/2008 4:52:14 PM   
joeharmony

 

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Status: offline 		Thank you dear friends for your thoughts.

Bernie:  yes, I do have a recent injury, to the area of my back that was already injured.  I don't have a sense of an evil or demonic force at work (I've had to face that in some of the work I've done with my ongoing healing from the child abuse I suffered, so I know what it feels like).

Jude:  depression has been part of my life for as long as I can remember, and it was important for me to realise and accept that it had been a survival mechanism I have used to cope with otherwise overpowering memories and feelings.  I am now at the point of believing I can function fully as a person, without the need of such things.  And yeah, there is a strong feeling of me about to emerge.

Grateful one:  There's a lot in what you say, all of it relevant.  "That is why you have no strong emotions about this event. To me, this is the strongest part of the entire vision and the one that I hope provides you with the most comfort. If there was something covering my face and I could not remove it, I would be very scared and anxious."  The 'me' that I can see, the outward expression, has no visible emotional reactions.  That's how my life has been - "Be strong, don't show your feelings, don't be vulnerable".  I think in fact there is a maelstrom of feelings in there, behind the mask.  I guess the fact that I've got this vision now means that I'm ready to face whatever is in there.  Another time of chaos and hell to cleanse myself.  maybe one day it'll be done, and I'll be a whole person.

It's nice to have people who care.

With Love
Joe
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RE: Can anyone interpret? - 2/15/2008 8:35:32 PM   
buttington

 

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Status: offline 		Joe, there is a huge strength in being vulnerable.

Love Jude

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RE: Can anyone interpret? - 2/16/2008 10:03:26 AM   
buttington

 

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Status: offline 		Joe, while re-reading the posts here I had a vivid picture of your 'grey' persona being filled with white and gold energy, starting from the heart centre.

The light spreads all through the body and the face emerges. !!

Jude

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RE: Can anyone interpret? - 2/16/2008 1:45:46 PM   
bernie

 

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Status: offline 		You might try doing some research on Carl Jung's deeply insightful archetypes, collective unconscious; the persona is a mask covering the personality that the person presents to the outside world. If this becomes fixed, the real person remains hidden. The ultimate aim of Jungian treatment is to achieve individuation, a process that continues throughout life in which the person develops a unique sense of his or her identity. And, of course, that may lead to new & more resplendent directions differing from previous paths undertaken.

Also, your dreamwork, according to Jung, will take on universal symbolic patterns & meaning consisting of all of humankind's common & shared mythological & symbolic past - representational images & configurations that have universal symbolic meanings. 
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RE: Can anyone interpret? - 2/22/2008 12:18:03 AM   
The_Rose

 

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Status: offline 		Hi
This is just my humble thought
You know how we tend to want answers a.s.a.p to everything
Often we do not accept that the answer hasn't come yet
We tend to live wanting black or white no middle ground
I feel that the grey around you means it's ok
you can be in a grey period and the answers will come later
Not having a face ...demonstrates your  senses... to see ,to smell to hear to taste
(to touch .)Your senses  r showing you to accept the situation for the time being.
Your senses are at rest to prepare for something or answers...when the right time comes
You feel you would be free? this skin protects you and when the right time comes
you will just peal it off.
Your feeling of not having any power now is ok ( sometimes it's very hard to accept)
I see this as a message of letting go , not trying to control feelings and senses.
It's ok to be where you are at this time of your life. It's ok to accept and live
in the moment letting go is the secret

TLC
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RE: Can anyone interpret? - 3/20/2008 1:51:45 AM   
bernie

 

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Status: offline 		Recently, sir, went to an outstanding workshop whose topic dealt w/ pain & suffering & how to prevent catastrophic acting out to take place, it is essential to listen to the individual's Life Story... This listening at the source of the pain as a way of mitigating or desensitizing the suffering as w/ PTSD, posttraumatic stress disorder, for instance, in order to prevent further complications such as flashbacks, nightmares, potential suicide.

Too often just simply listening in a nondirective way w/ positive regard can produce wonders; however, we're generally much too busy or preoccupied to genuinely care, empathize, or understand. It is commendable, though, how people like yourself are able to transcend their situation by becoming individuated thru sublimation, i.e., channeling their energy creatively, positively, & constructively in work or some kind of ennobling activity. 
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RE: Can anyone interpret? - 4/17/2008 10:48:38 PM   
arows1faith

 

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Status: offline 		Joe,

I couldn't agree more with The Rose, Jude, Bernie, and Thankful One. What I agree with most is, not the variety of opinions, but the consensus of 'growth' that has been recognized in your vision. 'Gray,' 'standing,' 'face,' 'hands.' These are the points you drew, even in the lightest of summaries. You are, indeed, in growth, if ever I saw it!

I would be humbled to add my $0.02, if I may...

I took a quick look (and I do admit brevity in this endeavor) at some of your previous posts and I gleaned that this greyness isn't your resolution. You're only seeing yourself as 'half-way to white.' Basically, I'm describing a 'soldier's return from war' syndrome: Where to go now? Who am I now?

What I can see is that you've recently come to a specific understanding regarding your disability {I'll go for euphamisms on this term from here out; you and I share similar affinities for 'labelology,' I believe (:  }, and I'm curious as to how you perceived 'you' then, and how you perceive 'you' now.

For me, it's natural to consider that the face is the most recognizable part of person: the eyes, smile, chin... ears (and why are big ears so dagnabbit cute!?!?). Your face is 'signature' in uniqueness - it's how people see you. It's not like we all have pictures of our children's elbows or our life partner's bums (gotta go for humor now and then, eh?) - It's the face. Something clicks in the mind when you sit across from someone that you recognize - the way two strangers talk in the grocery store check-out line... only because they are always in the store at the same time - meeting a friend at the airport that you haven't seen in a decade or two. All because of the face - being able identify the person.

I guess what I'm beating around to is, maybe this vision is the midpoint in your transformation. At one time, maybe you identified yourself very specifically. It seems, my friend, that you've decided that you don't accept that identity, anymore.  I can feel that you've removed that identity, hence the very specific reference of you saying "I have no face, and I feel that there is a skin over my face." (You accept the knowledge that you don't have a face, yet you 'feel' one under an opaque membrane - I love the universality of that observation!) You have decided to no longer accept your old identity; you've made space to define a new one. You are aware you have an identity, but also that it does not exist until you begin defining it. This is a coccoon, a skin to break through; this is a lump of clay, wanting to be molded.

Maybe this isn't so much about discovering yourself, but realizing the entitlement to assert who you already know you are? Flip-side of that one: This never ends and, even with all the work you have done or will do, you'll need/have/want to change who you are over time, too.  And knowing who you don't want to be is a really great help when trying to figuring out who you do want to be; kinda like a compass, I'd wager.

WOW - I said $0.02, and left $1.50. (Can we get a surprise smiley up in here, please? Moments like now are the reason they exist. ) I'll leave my thoughts there; don't mind if they wander.

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RE: Can anyone interpret? - 4/18/2008 8:47:15 PM   
ananda

 

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Status: offline 		Dear Joe!  I believe that "the answers are all inside of us".  My challenge with this is quieting my mind and thoughts enough to hear that still small voice within.
Don't know if this is at all helpful to you, but wanted to let you know that I am sending some healing light and love your way.

NAMASTE!!! 

Jessica 

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