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zenmember -> One Rabbi's View (3/25/2008 7:39:11 AM)

'However, if we examine life, we see that there are many forms of pleasure. Relaxing at a movie is nice - but would you spend your whole life doing it? A good time is fun for a while - but it doesn't satisfy, and we start seeking lasting pleasure. All lasting pleasure is connected with what we would call "spiritual pleasures."
We strive for a career - not because of money alone, but because we think it's "meaningful" - it's "a challenge," through it we can "help people," we can "gain a respected position in society," it will make us "happy."
We seek a relationship - not because of sex, or even companionship, but a search for "love." We look for friends - not because of what they can do for us, but because of the pleasure we get from being with other human beings.
We travel to experience nature - not because of the physical pleasure of a walk in the woods, but because of the "beauty" of it. We help others - not because of what we can get from it but because it's "good" to do so.
Physical pleasures are all short-term. Today, you can't remember what yesterday's food tasted like. Spiritual pleasures are permanent - you can still remember what it felt like to love someone you knew years ago. Physical pleasures are momentary experiences that are superficial to our lives; spiritual pleasures are what we direct our life toward. Yet, if we're not aware of this distinction, we may spend a good part of our lives seeking the physical pleasures that are less important to us, and neglecting the spiritual pleasures that we really look for.
So, even for someone who doesn't believe in God, there is a fundamental principle about life to be learned: what we want out of life is to seek the most real spiritual pleasures, the ones that pay off for us much more than the pleasures we often spend time involved in, that have little or no lasting effect on us.'

{ taken from Rabbi Kalman Packouz's contribution to Shabbat Shalom Weekly for March 24,2008}




J1937 -> RE: One Rabbi's View (3/25/2008 10:26:07 AM)

Thank you, Richard, for copying this article for us. What it says is certainly an important reminder. To find - and possibly to give - impulses for spiritual pleasure is the motivation that sends me to the Forums every day. Communicating with friends, sharing beauty and wisdom, joy and sorrow, gaining new insights, learning that, however different our personalities and situations, we are fundamentally one and connected - to me all these are spiritual pleasures of high quality.

Last night, when I was tired, I did not feel like posting much. Instead, I went back to the beginnings of one of the threads, and I was amazed at the wealth of ideas revealed there. Re-reading numerous posts, I discovered how much of the contents I had forgotten, or internalized? and how some had changed their meaning - or gained in meaning - for me in the course of time. Also your single personalities began to stand out more clearly (positively so, of course [:)] !) It is an experience I can recommend.

Juliana
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Hildegard -> RE: One Rabbi's View (3/25/2008 4:12:22 PM)

Richard, thank you for "One Rabbi'sView". I want to take his point a step further. St. Augustine already spoke of our hearts being restless until they rest in God. Even when I was still a teenager I felt that, no matter how wonderful an experience was, how beautiful nature was, how loving others could be, there was always an ache in me that was not satisfied. Over the years I came to understand what it was about. As I believer I learned that only God could fill this void, satisfy this longing. This allows me to appreciate and enjoy all things in creation, the material and the spiritual, those I love and those who love me for what and who they are without burdening them with expectations they cannot possibly fulfill. 

Edda




zenmember -> RE: One Rabbi's View (3/26/2008 12:11:54 PM)

edda;  Nicely expressed, wonderfully shared; thank you for that, rj




artemis611 -> RE: One Rabbi's View (3/28/2008 9:17:58 PM)

Again we see so many similarities among religions.  I remember reading a definition of suffering in a book on buddhism, which was "seeking happiness where it cannot be found," such as grasping for the more transient things.

Lori




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