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Dear Marie - 9/6/2007 10:31:31 AM   
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Dear Marie;
(wothout prejudice)
Dear sweet sensitive Marie; I am truly sorry that you took my post to be a personal affront. And, I completely realize that any mention of intent on my part would only serve to worsen your pain. I can not begin to understand the pain you are feeling; all I can do is commisserate.
I too, have dealt with the spectre of drug abuse; albeit to a lesser degree. My youngest daughter came very close to loosing her leg if not her life, in a senseless traffic accident during one of her "trips." The tough love we administered over the succeeding months was to sit down with her to outline and oversee a research plan from which she gained a true perspective of drug abuse rather than the street myths. It seems to have left her in better stead as she has managed to raise two drug-free teenagers that I am proud to call my grandchildren.
Secondly, my eldest son was the second of twins to emerge and suffered the effects of oxygen deprivation during the birthing experience. This resulted in what could be construed as ADD. We struggled with many an educator over this and fought hard to avoid sedation as a solution. The outcome of years of effort and TLC (read tough love) has paid off and he has been able to adjust/adapt to be productive and happy in his adult life.
My youngest son experienced an oxygen deficiency of a different kind as a result of a cogenital condition known as a deviated septum. From day three, we were alerted to the need for heart surgery which fortunately never came about. But, for years we watched and waited for the "proceedure." One by-product was that he struggled with a speech defect and helping with his home work from therapy left me thinking I'd never have trouble with pronuciation again. Once again we worked with the educators to let them know that he knew when he needed to rest. The outcome is that he out grew the hole in his heart to live with an enlarged heart that didn't deter him from playing football in highschool and basketball in university. He now has a family of his own with it's attendant problems and engineers the production of one of the world's biggest selling automobiles.
And, just two years ago we lost a tewnty-two year old granddaughter in another vehicle mishap. So, now you know the rest of the story. Richard didn't just fall off the turnip truck to offend your sensitivities. I know all too well where you are coming from but; we can't let these things defeat us. The journey that you are on, only you can take. Time doesn't just heal all, we must work through the grief. The walls which Seneca's untimely death have built around you, his survivng mother, must seem insurmountable. But, they aren't. These walls are just an expression of your fears and guilt. You are not responsible for Seneca's death. Each time they present themselves, with perseverance, you can meet them head on. By confronting them you can one day, some way, see that life is waiting for you. Don't disappoint it by not showing up.

Once again, I am sorry and submit to you this, my apologies and counsel, in the trust that you will take them to heart and consider your options.
In all sincerity, I remain.
be well, rj
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RE: Dear Marie - 9/7/2007 3:20:19 PM   
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Richard, You and your family have been truly blessed from God in healing. It is a miracle. I now understand the posting of the other two originally, they were a part of your life as well.
May God continue to bless your family.

I do not consider as having guilt over the situation with Seneca.
More so, helplessness of the situation that took place the night prior. After Seneca had gone out the evening prior I received a  phone call a few hours later saying his behavior was that of being uncontrollable while in the backseat of one's car, therefore he was being let out of the car on the street. The phone was then hung up and I was not left with the whereabouts of his location. I quickly called back to get a location of where he was, there was no answer many times. The realization there was something very wrong sparked a call to 911 by us. For over 2 hours law enforcements from 3 towns had searched looking for him. After an hour Seneca had called to say he was dropped off and needed to come home, I asked where he was, he said he did not know and told me to hold on, dropped the phone and never came back. Law enforcement beeped in on the other line, we still could not locate him. Another hour passed and I got a call saying he was found almost 20 miles from home at a gas station.

I told law enforcement do not let him go, something is wrong from the behavior of being let out of the car. This was not him and past personality of him. I asked to have the paramedics take him to the hospital and check him out. The officer told me the paramedics had already checked his vitals and he looks and is acting normal and so are the vitals. I said no, something is wrong, please have them come back and check him again, they did with the same answer except this time Seneca had said he was fine, and did not need to go to the hospital, and just wanted to go home as he had to work the next day. I was assured again from the officer he was fine from the paramedics rechecking the vitals.

Hours later, the next day, he stopped breathing and was rushed to the hospital. After 3 hours in the ER and blood pressure falling and crashing 6 times and coming back with blood pressure rising to near normal levels he was being moved ICU and we were told the charcoal that was being administered should have reduced the effects of whatever may have been in his system but did not. The attending Dr. said it looked as if it was heroin, we were not sure exactly. The Dr. said it looked as if he would pull through, although he may be brain dead his eyes were not reacting to light. Once moved to ICU in the transition of rooms he passed away.

What if..., I do not go there as I did in the beginning. God had called him home at that time. Little did we know that day....

There was much intervention from many sources that night and day. It was his time to be with Our Lord, though it was very tragic in the way it all came to be.

That is all put behind now and forgiveness has been possible from me, to the one who had let him off that night and other things that had transpired that night I will not go into. Also through help of clergy and spiritual advisors has assisted with healing for me as a parent.

Divine intervention had taken place. It was not the intervention that was so carefully given by all the caring people who became a part of that tragic night and day of the medical staff and of those that watch our streets. I am grateful to the caring men and women that had struggled to save his life, it is something that will always be with them as well. I pray we all have healed from it. I am grateful to those in the medical staff at the hospital ,and to the paramedics that had revived him at home and were helping him to breathe those last hours he survived. 

So, if it seems I may have overreacted to "Drugs of today", yes I may have but I have lived through a drug today, that was not his, and he should not have had access to. Being responsible of his actions were taught a lifetime to Seneca. This, as a parent is what hurts the most. He was taught this for a lifetime. He did not do the right thing. I have forgiven him and have been able to move on through many painful years.

After waiting for three weeks of toxicology it was disclosed at the Coroner's Inquest he died from Methadone he had gotten from work and having had mixed it with cannabis that he had purchased the night before that had stopped his breathing.

I apologize for over reacting to your postings of "Drugs of today".

Seneca was ADD and had been on ritalin for 2 years in second and third grade which was necessary to help him to succeed academically. Although it was not an easy decision for a parent to make and it may be crucial to learning for the child. After a time it was decided by medical staff and us, his parents it was better to take him off ritalin and continue to keep extra learning services. This too of your posting of ritalin in schools too had struck a chord. Ritalin helps many children today and is vital for their learning.

Toughlove and being held responsible for their actions along with faith, love and tenderness have been taught to all three of my children and continue with the two youngest today. Even my 24 year old continues to be taught of respecting and loving one another, it is ongoing as a duty of a parent, forever. He is drug and alcohol free and I pray he always will be having learned from and been witness to this situation.

For the year pror to his death, Seneca swore to us he was clean, and his behavior and me being home full time to watch, monitor and be a part of my children's lives was there. He was clean by all of his actions and whereabouts, up until this day he went to work and got his hands on something that eventually took his life.

Richard I understand the intention of your posting for discussion and realize no harm was intended to any of the readers. This is my input to it and response to, "Drugs of today".

As a parent you can never imagine this happening to your child, the greatest gift God can give parents. The drug issue today is a major issue and affects many other families that have taught faith, discipline, respect and love for all. And most importantly teaching my children responsibilty of their actions in any event.

It is not my intention of responding as a sorrowful, grieving mother. If someone can learn from reading this story, and a life can be saved it is worth posting the full story.
Drugs today are stronger and more potent than that of years ago and more lethal. Seneca died from a dose that was not considered to be a lethal dose. 50 milligrams, I have heard of some people that are on 350 milligrams a day prescribed by a clinic. But mixing it with another drug and not being a regular user made it lethal according to the coroner at the inquest.

There is now a new group that is working with medical professionals to look at the why of Methadone affects some individuals lethally and others can tolerate the effects of. Maybe there is an answer that may come about with findings.

Thank you for adding a thread for me to respond to "Drugs of today".

God Bless you and yours
Marie
Seneca's Mom

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RE: Dear Marie - 9/7/2007 5:37:03 PM   
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Dear Marie,

I want to thank you for writing the full story about Seneca. I'm sure it will help people understand how lethal drug taking can be.

But also it helps us understand you, the lovely person you are and the lovely family you have.

with Love,    J

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RE: Dear Marie - 9/7/2007 6:30:45 PM   
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Dear Marie,

I want to second what Jude has said. Thank you for sharing this difficult story with us!

With much love,
Edda

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RE: Dear Marie - 9/7/2007 8:58:38 PM   
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Thanks to both Marie and Richard for sharing your stories. 

Hugs,
Lori

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RE: Dear Marie - 9/8/2007 1:53:43 AM   
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Jude, Edda and Lori thanks for kind words and support. Seneca's story has never been easy to tell. I felt the whole story was essential to be a part of knowing who he was and how drug addiction could change things in one day. Reading it myself, puts it into a different perspective, that was not the case many years ago.

God Bless
Marie
Seneca's Mom
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RE: Dear Marie - 9/8/2007 7:05:39 AM   
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Dear Marie,

I've always thought that writing it all down is incredibly healing. I hope that will be the case for you. When I am seriously stressed about something I do a lot of writing. It just seems to pour out of me.

Your story also made it clear just how precious life is, and how vulnerable we all are. I'm incredibly lucky that the same thing didn't happen to my Son. It could have done, but I hope he has more sense now and stays well away from all drugs. I don't think I would like to be young today.

Much Love, Jude

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RE: Dear Marie - 9/10/2007 12:38:16 PM   
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Marie;

Sorry I missed the posting of your story. Wow, it is good that you can write about it. As a retired funeral director I was initially trained to identify problems people have with grief and I've studied the subject for a number of years. One of my greatest hopes is for the eradication of unresolved grief in this world.  Grief is a physical reaction to a loss and has nothing to do with the bothersome thinking which obstructs it's resolution by perpetuating the experience. One myth that comes to mind is ( and I state this with all due respect); " parents never get over the death of a child."  The memory of the child persists forever but the grief is surmountable. Amongst other validating evidence is the case of my nephew's accidental death on Christmas Eve of his eleventh year.  He was struck by a car within sight of his front door and killed instantly.  My brother never really gave his grief a chance to heal but relived the event over and over until his own death fifteen years later.  One can empathize with his actions to a degree; since he  was the person to bring his son Dwight's lifeless body home on a toboggan; an experience that would decidely add to his psychological trauma.  Whereas, my sister-in-law took a more philosophical view and was able to resolve her grief and live a productive and happy life for another twenty years beyond both their deaths. She and I had a couple of in-depth discussions about both events. Although her faith may have played a great part in her ability to cope with the loss(es), I think the main reason was in her perspective on reality (her world view).  Each of us (all things) are born, grow, live and die.  Regardless of what our relationship is to the object lost, we have no ownership of anything; "Covet nothing, for all things belong to the Lord."  It was an honor to know this lady and I am eternally grateful for the things she taught me.

Marie, I wish you every good for the future, be well, stay strong, rj

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