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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 10/22/2007 11:55:04 AM   
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Edda and Betty, This is what I call delegating work!  You have done the job for me by contributing perfect examples of L.L.4, which G.Chapman calls Acts of Service. (You, Betty, on the "Today..." thread). There are people who feel loved when you do things for them which they like you to do. G.Ch. tells us how, as a boy, he swore to himself that he would never vacuum the floor, should he ever get married, as he hated doing it when his friends were out playing football. What does he do today - vacuum! As we all know, one can do anything, if it is for the one(s) we love.

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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 10/22/2007 2:00:01 PM   
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Juliana, I am glad I could help! Now for the fifth language - I have a hard time thinking of one. There is a variation on the theme of the first one, espressions of gratitude/appreciation. No one likes to be taken for granted! And some really need to be thanked repeatedly.

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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 10/22/2007 2:18:17 PM   
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Edda, thank you for trying! G.Ch. lists "expressions of gratitude/appreciation" under the heading of "words of affirmation", calling it one of the dialects.
No, L.L.5  is something else. In a previous post, you already got quite close to it. Playing hide and seek in Austria, we would say, "Hot!"

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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 10/22/2007 7:54:01 PM   
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Juliana, dear, since we are now playing hide and seek, and Edda was hot, it's time to add Sherlock Holmes to the Hide and Seek mix. Edda and I both wrote about doing things someone else liked whether we wanted to or not, typified by the vacuuming Acts of Service, L.L.4.. So, what is common to the other two things we both wrote about??? Edda--back rubs and my scratching of my husband's back. I am sure neither one on the surface are L.L.5. But what does each have in common other than being Acts of Service? They both would involve different methods of touching, but I doubt that that is L.L.5. Although, hugs are a very special language of love. Since we are still playing Hide and Seek, please let me know if I am getting warmer.

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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 10/22/2007 10:51:53 PM   
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Juliana, Betty may be on to something since we both were talking about some form of touching. This could qualify! Another idea came to me. I had noticed previously that you did not comment on my and then other's posts about receiving gifts. Is this where I was getting "hot"? Might 5 have something to do with understanding and accepting another's love language?
You are making us think! Once a teacher, always a teacher! But it is fun!

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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 10/23/2007 12:46:54 PM   
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Hi Edda, Betty and everyone reading this --- I´d better reveal the "secret" now, although there is not much time before I have to go and see some refugees from Afghanistan, Kosovo and other places to give them a German lesson. (You are right about being a teacher once and for ever .) I am late, as I had to listen to G.Ch.´s CD once more to learn the correct words in English, as the books which I have are German translations. Edda, your first guess and yours, Betty, deserve a "Bingo!" (I´m not sure if this is teenage slang, unfit for this Forum? )

Love Language 4 is what G.Ch. calls "Physical Touch". Some people feel most loved when they are hugged, kissed or patted on the shoulder ( or given a back rub or scratching, for that matter). I have to admit, though, that I prefer what the German translations offers: "Zärtlichkeit", i.e. "tenderness". To me at least, it conveys more of the emotional quality of this L.L.

Just 5 minutes left to share a joke with you that my professor of English once told us :
A young man spotted a book in a library, entitled "HOW to HUG". He took it home, wondering what advice it might offer. On opening it, however, he was very disappointed indeed. He found that it was Volume 5 of the British Encyclopedia.

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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 10/23/2007 10:49:11 PM   
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Thank you, Juliana, for revealing the "secret". Isn't it strange that sometimes a translation seems better than the original? (I once heard Isabelle Allende say in a New Dimensions Intervies that she liked the English translations of her novels better than her original Spanish!) Perhaps "physical expressions of affection" comes closer to what you have in mind. Touch can be very comforting and healing.

There is one concern I have. While the other languages of love would be gladly received by most, touch may not be welcome by everyone. Those whose preferred language involves touch need to remember that others might not appreciate receiving what they themselves enjoy.

I like your joke! Titles can be deceiving. Newspaper headlines are especially good at it!

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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 10/23/2007 11:21:16 PM   
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Thank you for adding this point, Edda. It is proof, once more, of the fact that what we are doing here is teamwork!

You are quite right that L.L.5 may not be welcome to some people, whereas the other four will mostly be gladly received. On the other hand, we may fail one another unless we recognize the L.Ls of others and also learn to speak them. This, to me, is one of the strong points of G.Ch.´s book: he has so many convincing stories from his professional experience to share, which make it easy and enjoyable reading.

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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 10/26/2007 8:47:46 PM   
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Greetings! Jayne here.  Thanks so much for the wonderful book discussion.  Recently, my entire life  turned upside-down and I'm on the total receiving end of my family's generosity.  In fact, the last 2 yrs (since I had to stop working for health issues) have been about receiving.  I always prided myself on giving.  I love "things"  I'm the original "material girl".I always give stuff away if someone likes it. I didn't have "stuff" as a kid.  But now, again, I'm stuff-less a nd it is teaching me a very strong survival skill in gracious receiving. 

I'm excited about reading the Chapman book.  How's this one for receiving?  I am a librarian, recently designated "legally blind"  but I can still read, it just takes me longer. I am living in my sister's house in the burbs.  I always knew my sight would fail, so I had a cheap apt. in the City so I caould be independent.  My husband "removed" me from home, where there is a library in walking or public transportation distance.

The public library out here is a bout 2 miles from my new home and there ISN'T a public mode of transportation that goes there.  There isn't a book store, or groceery store in walking distance. I now bother/beg my sisters for all my life's pleasures. 

I am trying to transform my feelings of humiliation into gratefulness in receiving.  In fact, there's a family gathering on Sunday and I'll ask another sister to pick the book up for me on her way here.  Thank you for this "aha" moment and all the enticing stories ofh 5 Languages. 
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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 10/27/2007 7:39:32 AM   
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Dear Jane,
As we've said before, in graciously receiving from others we are actually giving them a gift - that being the pleasure of giving !!

Giving and receiving are the same.

Sending you blessings and hope, when your life is turned back up the right, way you will be able to see it all as a Blessing in disguise. It often is.

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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 10/28/2007 12:47:32 PM   
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Good news for those who are interested, there is a website for G. Chapman and the 5 L.L. Since I do not know how to link to it, I will just give you the web address http://www.garychapman.org/ (Pretty cool!!! Solomon graciously offered to teach me how to do it but I haven't had time to accept his kind offer so I just blindly tried it and it worked) Haven't completely checked it out yet but there it is.

Jayne, there is a lot of information on the website even if you can't get the book! Lots of thoughts have "popped" into mind since I reread your original post. Had you ever thought of keeping a journal of dated daily letters for your daughter? (If they become tear stained while writing them, that's OK. She will know all the more of your love for her). Sooner or later, you will see her again, and this would give her a record of all your days without her and how you felt without her and how much you missed her. Maybe it could include questions about what she is doing, school, all the things you used to share together. Perhaps every so often, even one of your nieces could a little note about how much they miss seeing her.

I am sure it must be difficult to be dependent on others but even in that dependency, can you also give your gifts? I believe it is L.L.1--Words of Affirmation, noticing all the "small supportive actions" done by your sister and her family and specifically naming them and telling each individual how much you have noticed their individual kindnesses toward you and the specialness you see in each person and how much the little things they do mean to you. Additionally, could this be a time of prayer for all those suffering any kind of disability or hostility from a spouse, or for peace in the world, whatever or whomever the "SPIRIT" leads you to pray for. --Just some random thoughts. May the Holy One's Spirit of Peace and Comfort enfold you.

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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 11/1/2007 7:26:37 AM   
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I am very grateful for books written on the Ennegram. The current one that I use is The Enneagram, A Christian Perspective by Richard Rohr and Andreas Ebert. (Yes, Juliana, it has been written in German since 1989.) There is some evidence that Ennegram has been in in existence in some form since the time of Pythagoras. What is the Ennegram? It is a study of nine basic personality types, lists the wings of each type, the compulsions of each type and the movement necessary to go toward wholeness.

The nine (Immature[non-Christian], Unredeemed[Christian) personality types generally operate out of three different centers—8, 9, and 1 operate out of the “Gut”(instinctive/motivational) center; 2, 3, and 4 operate out of the “Heart”(emotional) center; and 5, 6, and 7 operate out of the “Head” (thinking)center.

While I have done work with Meyers Briggs, I have found Ennegram to be of much more value since it shows the compusive behaviors of each specific personality number and also shows the necessary movement toward overcoming the compulsions. (As Pop Culture currently says --"I cannot cure what I do not acknowledge," a good take off on Scripture's "The Truth will set you free.") For those of us who are Christians, it shows the personalities as the Unredeemed and the Redeemed. On a non-Christian level, the behaviors could be classified as “Immature, Normal, and Mature.”

Generally speaking, one is initially told to find the individual personality number that seems to that person to have the most disgusting personality traits. It is a good bet that is the individual’s personality number. The personality numbers very briefly include some of the following characteristics.

ONES- Ones from an early age attempted to be the model child who always got good grades, seldom misbehaved, were not praised often and were expected to have above average goodness. As adults, they are true perfectionists, driven by longing for a true, just, moral world. Honest and fair, they have a hard time accepting any imperfections, especially their own.

TWOS will follow tomorrow

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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 11/1/2007 4:52:54 PM   
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Betty, How nice that you have come up with one of my favorites! (I also find it nice that you have started with my type ! I have known the Enneagramm since it first appeared in German, and I am very grateful for what it has taught me. The most disgusting personality trait of Ones:  - yes, anger! Fortunately there is hope of redemption as one grows older (and wiser?) Apart from self-knowledge the Enneagramm has taught me to become much more tolerant of others, realizing that they may have shortcomings which I do not call mine, but on the other hand lack the ones that cause me problems .

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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 11/2/2007 9:06:13 AM   
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Juliana, I am pleased that this is also one of your favorites. I remember decades ago when first exposed to it by my spiritual companion, interest in it was just beginning to spread. Psychological research on its principles has grown by leaps and bounds. The 2005 Edition goes into so much greater depth and covers so many more aspects of one's life that once again it has challenged me to new growth. For me, Ennegram has been a real asset in increasing my understanding of those around me, especially those I have difficulty with. Honestly,Juliana, I began with Ones because one is one!! Back to the book.

While Ennegram helps us to find the predominant state which we operate out of, it also shows us the wings (predominant states on either side of our number)that also play a role in our personality. A "9" would have wings of a "1" and of an "8". (Too much to explain--just enough to entice! )

Twos(with wings of 1 and 3) have a real need to be needed. They desparately want to be liked and have an exaggerated need for validation. Usually they grew up in a family where love was very conditional and their value seemed to be in what they did for others rather than in who they were. Sometimes they also were called upon to be the emotional support for the adults in the family. Twos can become the "chameleons" in a group of people. Seldom are their honest feelings known. Whomever they are with, they agree with. If not, they would not "earn" that individuals validation of their personhood. Twos share generously and are the ones who would give their "last" shirt for another. They are the first to volunteer to help and generally use all their gifts for others, often to the detriment of their own well being. When "all that they have done for others" goes unnoticed, they are crushed and turn inward, thinking they haven't done enough, it hasn't been good enough, etc. The predominant pitfall of the Two is revenge.

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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 11/3/2007 1:37:19 PM   
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Threes-Need to Succeed
Threes often radiate an ease of assurance around themselves. They are optomistic, dynamic, productive. Outwardly, they are successes. Threes are often in sales or politics. As children, threes generally received most parental praise and love when they had successfully achieved something.

Inwardly, threes avoid failure at all costs and hate defeat. Their constant personal questions involve “Am I successful; How am I doing?” Life for threes is a constant struggle of winning or loosing and they definitely want to be the winners. Internally, threes have a real longing for depth but stay on a superficial level because that is what it takes to succeed and success is what it is all about.

Fours-Need to be Special
Fours work to awaken beauty and harmony in surroundings and spiritually are very ecumenical rather than promoters of one specific spirituality. Fours tend to become artists, poets, playwrites, and counselors.

As children, fours often experienced a strong physical or emotional loss. To cope, they turned their anger inwardly and directed it toward themselves, or used their imagination to create “their world.” Fours can be very melancholic and withdrawn, always longing for the future when things will be better. Fours can become lethargic with the here and now of living in the present moment and tend to look for wait for and long for the dramatic.

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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 11/3/2007 4:20:58 PM   
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The Enneagram is one of my favorites too!  I worked with it myself many years ago.  It was so revealing about myself.  It will be nice to revisit its relevance for me now that some years have passed and I'm at a different place in my life.

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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 11/3/2007 6:04:06 PM   
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Lori;

Have you tried the website??

http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/
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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 11/3/2007 6:07:54 PM   
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No, I haven't.  But it looks interesting.  Thanks!

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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 11/5/2007 9:17:11 AM   
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Fives, Sixes and Sevens fall into the category of “Head” people.

Fives-The Need to Perceive.
Fives are open to new facts and impressions. They are the discoverers of new ideas, researchers and inventors, philosophers, etc., and are interested in exploring things in great detail. For fives, knowledge is power.

The primary experience of fives is emptiness. They long for fulfillment and go through life gathering whatever they can. While twos are compulsively givers, fives are compulsively takers. Fives have a passion for collecting knowledge, thoughts, ideas, silence, and space. Many fives hate words like “share”, “communicate,” etc. Fives hate intrusiveness and intruders and protect their private spheres like “the apple of their eye.” Their relationship to the outside world is mechanized since some of their greatest fears are emotional engagement, intimacy and concrete commitment. They often appear as snobbish and prefer being a wellspring of knowledge rather than becoming intimately involved. Fives prefer dealing in the abstract world of theories and ideas and prefer reaching for the “enlightenment” of renouncing emotions and reaching for premature intellectual knowledge while scorning the emotionalism and false motives of the world.

Sixes-The Need for Secruity
Sixes are cooperative team players, reliable and can be counted on for fidelity. They friendships are warmhearted and deep feeling and they will give body and soul for those they love.

The primary experience of sixes is fear and they easily succumb to self-doubt. They continually sense danger. They are emotionally dependent on others yet test them first. They love orthodox, fundamentalist, closed systems; worship authority and search for security in it, yet fear it. Because of their own insecurity, they are looking around for authorities with infallible leadership and need an institution that will tell them what to do. They tend to be pessimists, fighting for survival and almost seem to take pleasure in loosing. They have a rich imagination for scenarios of apocalyptic terror.
Sevens-The Need to Avoid Pain
Sevens radiate joy and optimism, can feel a childlike astonishment and experience life as a gift. They are sunny, playful, and seem to have a “Permanent” smile. They are the eternal child wo needs change, and stimulation. They are anti-authoritarian.

Sevens avoid pain at all costs and have difficulty dealing with either their own or the emotional and physical pain and suffering of others. The smile of the sevens often conceal a great sadness that they are afraid to experience. They are very in to positive thinking and for them, prayer consists of imagining (visualize) what they want in life and then “take hold of it in faith.” Even when the seven is confronted with death, he/she will come up with all the positives of an individuals death rather than confront, feel, and grieve the actual pain of the loss. In order to minimize the threat of potential pain, sevens like to surround themselves with like-minded people who defend the same interests and are enthusiastic about the same goals.

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RE: BOOKS for which I am grateful... - 11/7/2007 11:18:07 AM   
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Hi all,
I was discovering other threads this AM ...
so happy you all recommended the Ennegram
it brought me back to a wonderful day retreat years ago
when I was introduced to it. I will visit the web site  and
revisit the book too!!!!! I have too many favorite books
however I still carry around a copy of Kalil Gibrahn's
"The Prophet"
warmly
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